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I'm not that thrilled about the Pagan trade. The Mets got their reliever. But Pagan is not a great center fielder. And the Mets beat writer - starburst 2011-12-08 08:39:34 (92 views)
- my buddy is a Mets fan and he really liked Pagan and was bummed to see him go. Two sides to every coin. - Baby Giraffe 2011-12-08 16:50:35 (10 views)
  - That's good to hear. - starburst 2011-12-08 17:47:10 (5 views)
- Angel Pagan on Fan Graphs. - juan 2011-12-08 09:40:06 (58 views)
  - As I said to JoeDaddy below, those stats don't tell the whole story. I like to hear from people who've seen the guy play. At least they aren't taking on a multi-year contract, so they'll have the opportunity - starburst 2011-12-08 09:56:27 (24 views)
- Pagan deserves a chance just like Torres. He was friends with and idolized Beltran, so that played a part, too. - juan 2011-12-08 09:36:48 (34 views)
  - That's the thing, though. Last year we had two competent center fielders, in the case of Torres, a very good CF. - starburst 2011-12-08 10:02:11 (14 views)
- Once you step into the G's clubhouse you know who the leaders are - dontstopbelievin 2011-12-08 08:46:15 (38 views)
  - Huff is in his last year and if he does what he did last year, can't be a force in the clubhouse. Lincecum and Cain are pitchers. Posey is young. I don't know if that's enough. - starburst 2011-12-08 08:55:36 (12 views)
    - JMO I doubt Pagan will effect anything....if he's an asshole just cut him. - dontstopbelievin 2011-12-08 09:05:23 (10 views)
      - Baggs has just tweeted some positive stuff. Pagan likes the move here, is willing to hit leadoff, likes CF. Hopefully it works out. - starburst 2011-12-08 10:07:41 (21 views)
- Here's the link to that quote. - starburst 2011-12-08 08:44:42 (22 views)

This might make Trumbo available....wonder what he'd cost - dontstopbelievin 2011-12-08 08:23:40 (24 views)
- Or Moralas for that matter... - MoonMan 2011-12-08 08:25:31 (29 views)
  - Trumbo still on rookie and injured. Morales is $2.95 M and arb eligible, so he probably would be up for trade. - juan 2011-12-08 08:37:38 (19 views)
  - Morales is done - dontstopbelievin 2011-12-08 08:37:29 (11 views)
    - It sounds like he's on his way back and should be ready for spring. - juan 2011-12-08 08:40:11 (13 views)

Angels To Sign Albert Pujols - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-08 07:03:38 (62 views)
- They are really going to regret that in five years. - Earl j. Slick 2011-12-08 22:17:13 (5 views)
- Wow is right, but I rather have Fielder. Just not at $200 M. Giants fans can only dream. LOL. - juan 2011-12-08 08:26:02 (18 views)
  - Angels went crazy because they didn't make the POs for the second straight. Hope the Giants are listening. - juan 2011-12-08 08:26:16 (15 views)
    - It may have something to do with the Dodgers being sold - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-08 08:49:35 (14 views)
- Angels To Sign C.J. Wilson - nuschler 2011-12-08 08:01:07 (28 views)
- Wow. - starburst 2011-12-08 07:54:01 (5 views)
- Dat shit cray - Method 2011-12-08 07:46:17 (5 views)
- Cray cray - holymoly 2011-12-08 07:44:17 (11 views)
- Wow indeed - Hoser 2011-12-08 07:30:36 (7 views)
- Wow - MoonMan 2011-12-08 07:07:42 (11 views)
  - That's crazy....be paying him 25 million when he's 39,40,41,42? lol - dontstopbelievin 2011-12-08 07:10:02 (8 views)
    - Maybe when everyone was juiced up with steriods...but now>> no way... total crazy... - holymoly 2011-12-08 07:47:02 (7 views)
      - At least he can DH when he's in his 40's, I guess. - nuschler 2011-12-08 07:50:10 (7 views)
        
        I'm super bummed if I am a Card fan... - MoonMan 2011-12-08 08:15:19 (7 views)

Tim Kawakami: Giants hit the $130M ceiling: Like it or not, they’re not the Yankees (or Marlins!) - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-08 04:19:11 (46 views)
- Chris Haft /Pagan completes Giants' outfield corps - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-08 04:27:19 (32 views)
  - Penny wise. Pound foolish. The Giants are going to have to spend even more money in 2013 if they sell out AT&T and do not make the playoffs again. It's better to suck it up and sign Willingham who is a relatively cheap source of HRs. - juan 2011-12-08 05:23:15 (67 views)

Angel Pagan videos. - juan 2011-12-07 23:18:33 (95 views)

It's time for Plan B -- Josh Willingham. Rays looking to snatch him at $7-$9 million per season for three years. - juan 2011-12-07 21:51:20 (42 views)

Scott Boras: Dodgers and Mets usually shop in "steaks aisle," now shopping in "fruits and nuts section." - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-07 20:51:56 (52 views)

John Shea:: Why Brian Sabean is moving forward without Carlos Beltran and Cody Ross - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-07 19:30:44 (139 views)
- What kind of money and years did Beltran want? It's just more frustration with Beltran. - juan 2011-12-07 20:14:18 (134 views)
  - Scott Boras was looking for at least 4 years and it's been rumored he was asking for around $14-15 Million per - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-07 20:30:39 (47 views)
    - Beltran is the opposite of a gamer. That's why the market is thin and that's why I won't miss him. He can DH in the AL. - darragh 2011-12-07 23:02:08 (7 views)

no Beltran - Rubber Soul 2011-12-07 16:58:23 (37 views)
- Then why bother throwing away a number one pick in Wheeler...?? - holymoly 2011-12-08 07:45:36 (8 views)
  - 'win now philosophy. I liked the deal. - Baby Giraffe 2011-12-08 16:53:13 (7 views)

An awesome Love Letter to A. Torres from Grant over at McCovey Chronicles. The story from Peter Hartlaub linked there is great, too. - starburst 2011-12-07 14:46:25 (71 views)

John Shea Giants close to re-signing Guillermo mota - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-07 14:37:26 (28 views)
- Andrew Baggarly Finally looked at Giants trade release. Missed it earlier, but they're also getting a player to be named later or cash from the Mets. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-07 14:46:09 (35 views)

Nice thoughts on Torres from Bochy and Baggs. - starburst 2011-12-07 14:16:16 (69 views)

Hanley Ramirez is being shopped - Hoser 2011-12-07 14:02:57 (31 views)
- Marlins just signed Buehrle. Those fellas are serious. - nuschler 2011-12-07 14:14:11 (13 views)
  - Wow, massive salary happening over there - MadRussky 2011-12-07 14:17:13 (25 views)
    - The old ballpark in FL was terrible. IMO people didn't go because it was so far away from anything. and sucked. - nuschler 2011-12-07 14:22:52 (39 views)
      - Thanks for the info - MadRussky 2011-12-07 14:32:17 (6 views)
  - Have you seen Angel Pagan play much? If so, what is your take? - starburst 2011-12-07 14:16:52 (10 views)
    - No, I haven't really seen him play. - nuschler 2011-12-07 14:24:24 (6 views)
- We aren't a good fit - Bdogg 2011-12-07 14:13:10 (8 views)

More from John Shea, in 140 characters or less. And one from Baggs. Of course it could change in a minute. - starburst 2011-12-07 12:22:28 (95 views)
- Is -"Bochy wants Huff getting time in left not Belt because Belt is the future at first and one position will help his confidence." code for Belt is going to start in Fresno? - MoonMan 2011-12-07 12:26:56 (58 views)
  - Lol - Method 2011-12-07 13:51:06 (10 views)
  - Lmao...my first thought, too - JoeDaddy 2011-12-07 12:36:26 (9 views)
- Thank god - give the kid a chance. - Toe-Knee Arm-Ass 2011-12-07 12:26:56 (10 views)

Stupid question. Can we trade Aubrey Huff with Kepp? LOL. - juan 2011-12-07 10:53:28 (38 views)
- LOL...sure - JoeDaddy 2011-12-07 10:56:36 (47 views)
  - It's his up year and the baby won't keep him up nights anymore. I'll toss in Mota. - juan 2011-12-07 11:05:12 (28 views)
    - speaking of Mota...he probably just got promoted w/ Ramirez being dealt - JoeDaddy 2011-12-07 11:10:42 (27 views)
      - Yeah a bunch of tweets from our beat writers saying he's about to be resigned. - starburst 2011-12-07 12:00:58 (28 views)
        
        Much deserved. good move. - JoeDaddy 2011-12-07 12:18:51 (10 views)
    - How about Monta? Chris Paul at SS. - starburst 2011-12-07 11:09:12 (17 views)
      - Stick Casilla at SS, dude has a canon - tajackamo 2011-12-07 11:15:53 (16 views)
        
        Good point. The dude has right handed power, too. Just look at that stance. If he ever runs into one, watch out. - starburst 2011-12-07 11:59:11 (8 views)
      - I'm in. - JoeDaddy 2011-12-07 11:14:49 (9 views)
      - The Warriors need to get a resigned Chris Paul for Curry, Klay Thompson, Biedrins, and filler. Get it done Sabean. - juan 2011-12-07 11:11:50 (17 views)

Really good analysis on Pagan from a couple months prior - JoeDaddy 2011-12-07 10:44:52 (80 views)
- FanGraphs w/ some nice year-to-year evaluation(s) - JoeDaddy 2011-12-07 10:47:54 (27 views)

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade Kepp? - Al Attles' Soul Train 2011-12-07 09:22:08 (44 views)
- isn't Kepp arbitration eligible? if so, have the Giants offered it? - Baby Giraffe 2011-12-07 15:02:22 (7 views)
- I'd like to see them keep Kepp too unless.. - Ghost Dog 2011-12-07 12:16:49 (19 views)
- Freddy can't be relied upon and our lineup is very left handed now. Pay the extra for Kepp over Fontenot. - sbgiants 2011-12-07 09:41:51 (14 views)

So what's this other trade about? - Earl j. Slick 2011-12-07 08:29:57 (110 views)
- How I see it- - MoonMan 2011-12-07 08:55:16 (218 views)
  - Pagan made $3.5 M last year, so it will probably be less than $3 M freed up. - juan 2011-12-07 10:35:48 (65 views)
- Giants were linked to other players but Baggs squashed them - tajackamo 2011-12-07 08:37:11 (81 views)

John Shea:....Angel Pagan dealt to Giants for Torres, Ramirez - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-07 04:52:49 (77 views)

Here's the 411 on Angel Pagan. - juan 2011-12-07 01:11:04 (227 views)

Hanley Ramirez - ZenMaster 2011-12-06 20:59:54 (124 views)
- Bleah. - Earl j. Slick 2011-12-07 08:29:30 (20 views)
- clubhouse cancer. pass - Baby Giraffe 2011-12-06 23:57:01 (15 views)
- At the very least Miami would want MadBum or Posey plus - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 21:09:36 (65 views)
  - Timmy for Hanley? - Obey SF Giant 2011-12-06 21:52:58 (24 views)
    - Hanley makes 46 million over the next 3 seasons. Last year he was WAY over paid - MoonMan 2011-12-07 07:47:05 (15 views)
    - Pass - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-07 05:14:35 (9 views)
      - pass times 10000000000000000000000000 - skontch 2011-12-07 06:50:21 (8 views)

The Lineup (Baggs) - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 20:32:16 (165 views)
- I like it. It should free up Schierholtz and Keppinger in another trade, so we can have more money and get Beltran. - juan 2011-12-06 20:51:20 (171 views)
- Two 4th outfielders and Huff playing over Belt - wiz 2011-12-06 20:45:05 (82 views)

Baggs:.....BREAKING: Giants trade OF Andres Torres and RHP Ramon Ramirez to the Mets for OF Angel Pagan - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 19:35:21 (170 views)
- Like the trades so far this offseason..both upgrade.. - Ghost Dog 2011-12-06 21:41:43 (65 views)
  - Yes. Glad we got some more athleticism on the basepaths. - sbgiants 2011-12-07 05:17:57 (25 views)
- More from Baggs, on a possible lineup. Read from the bottom up. - starburst 2011-12-06 20:30:15 (108 views)
- From John Shea. The first paragraph is what makes me nervous. - starburst 2011-12-06 20:23:29 (114 views)
- Baggs:....A grateful Andres Torres: “I’ll put some part of the Giants in my heart” - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 20:06:35 (77 views)
  - pure class..we do not win it all w/o him in '10..i wish him nothing but the best - skontch 2011-12-07 06:54:00 (16 views)
    - +1 I will still wear his Jersey Tee with pride - MoonMan 2011-12-07 17:10:08 (11 views)
    - +Another 1 - starburst 2011-12-07 09:25:38 (8 views)
    - Yep. - Earl j. Slick 2011-12-07 08:28:43 (14 views)
    - +1 - JoeDaddy 2011-12-07 08:16:25 (8 views)

Bagss...:Giants far down the road with two trade proposals, Sabean said. Good chance something happens tonight. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 18:47:12 (98 views)
- Thanks for the LOL. Now, back to the trade. Has anyone seen Pagan play center? Baggs said he had a lot of errors. - starburst 2011-12-06 20:16:28 (29 views)
  - From most of the advanced stats info (as unreliable as those can be) he's generally been a plus fielder throughout his career - JoeDaddy 2011-12-06 20:36:24 (42 views)
    - Pagan's low baseball IQ, including consistently missing cutoff men and throwing to the wrong base, often agitated Mets officials. - starburst 2011-12-06 21:08:46 (27 views)
      - Ahhh...but then the question becomes: - JoeDaddy 2011-12-06 23:03:22 (37 views)
        
        If it was hate, then, yeah. But this doesn't sound like it. That's why I'm wondering if anyone here has seen him play enough to comment. - starburst 2011-12-07 09:28:07 (9 views)
        
        LOL. My question is why is Pagan named Crazy Horse? This guy hit his own head after he swung the bat. That is pretty low bball IQ. - juan 2011-12-07 00:45:13 (25 views)
        
        Well, now, he-s not bi-polar. ADHD. There's a big difference. - starburst 2011-12-07 09:26:47 (7 views)
    - I'm leery of basing a conclusion on stats without seeing a guy play. So, I'll just have to live with the uncertainty, lol. - starburst 2011-12-06 21:05:01 (14 views)
  - Pagan seems to be a good pickup. He made a lot of errors in 2010 only, but he did have a DOH moment. - juan 2011-12-06 20:30:09 (47 views)
    - I think he threw to the wong base once, or something. I'm just hoping he's not the Mikel Pietrus of baseball. - starburst 2011-12-06 20:32:47 (10 views)
- Baggs:...Giants trade proposal believed to be Andres Torres and Ramon Ramirez to the Mets for Angel Pagan. Not definite, but promising. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 18:47:42 (31 views)
  - I would do that - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 18:49:44 (22 views)
    - Pagan is intriguing...he's on the last yr of his rookie deal, too - JoeDaddy 2011-12-06 18:58:34 (63 views)
      - Baggs says the Giants will save 2-3 million with the trade - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 19:04:15 (17 views)
    - I don't hate it- Pagan stats - MoonMan 2011-12-06 18:58:20 (153 views)
      - Others are confirming the Torres-Ramirez swap for Angel Pagan, as I reported earlier. Deal is pending physicals. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 19:02:01 (18 views)
        
        I guess this means no Carlos Beltran. Good trade though - LGT 2011-12-06 19:31:45 (17 views)
        
        Giants were long shots to get Beltran, but I don't see this trade stopping us. Melky/Pagan/Beltran - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 19:44:10 (12 views)
        
        Melky/Pagan/Nate - ike! 2011-12-06 19:34:39 (32 views)
  - John Shea:..... Giants have two trade possibilities. Not household names, but baseball insiders names, Sabean said. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 18:49:30 (46 views)

Could the White Sox be a trade partner? - microwave donut 2011-12-06 13:37:33 (107 views)
- Yes to all - MoonMan 2011-12-06 14:08:01 (26 views)


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